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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:21 am 
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huh, I've actually never read any Jack Kerouac yet... I suppose I will eventually

I watched Barfly last night... awesome. Many hilarious moments, and I didn't realize Bukowski actually wrote the film himself. He's actually sitting at the bar in one scene. From what I understand, he wasn't too happy about Mickey Rourke's performance because Rourke came off as too sloppy

Aside from maybe not being a completely accurate portrayal, i thought he played the role very well..

I prefer Factotum personally, as Factotum tells Bukowski's overall story and Barfly mostly focuses on just one of his relationships... but they are both excellent films IMO and I'm grateful to have stumbled upon them


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
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Miles Deem wrote:
huh, I've actually never read any Jack Kerouac yet... I suppose I will eventually


Wow I thought you had? Crazy... You know Bukowski has a 'cameo' in On the Road (although that book is a work of 'fiction' lol). Must read Jack Kerouac: On The Road, Big Sur (collected poems), and Desolation Angels (my personal favorite). :salute:


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
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i was listening to Bukowski's recording "Hostage" - which is a 1 hour audio recording of a reading he did at Redondo Beach (the classic one where he's puking on the way to the stage).. right after i responded about Kerouac, the poem he was reading was about a letter he got, where some one asked if he knew Jack Kerouac... this recording is great.. hearing him read his stuff gives so much life to the writing, and the crowd interactions are priceless

I know CBug likes Kerouac a lot


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i was a bore and didn't know when to smile or fake it, or rather worse, i did, but didn't


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
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I've had Barfly in my "saved" list for about 2 years...I don't even remember how I heard about it, as I have no idea who Charles Bukowski is...


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well, Barfly is probably known as a drunkard movie... As well as Bukowski is known as a drunkard

I'm sure you're probably not into poetry at all, I'm really not either for the most part.. but if there ever was a poet you'd be into, I'd imagine Bukowski would be it..


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Now, I realize I'm not exactly the smartest fella in the world, but I believe you just called me a drunkard...

Cheers mate :drinkers:


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
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Let It Enfold You-

either peace or happiness,
let it enfold you

when I was a young man
I felt these things were
dumb, unsophisticated.
I had bad blood, a twisted
mind, a precarious
upbringing.

I was hard as granite, I
leered at the
sun.
I trusted no man and
especially no
woman.

I was living a hell in
small rooms, I broke
things, smashed things,
walked through glass,
cursed.
I challenged everything,
was continually being
evicted, jailed,in and
out of fights, in and out
of my mind.
women were something
to screw and rail
at, I had no male
freinds,

I changed jobs and
cities, I hated holidays,
babies, history,
newspapers, museums,
grandmothers,
marriage, movies,
spiders, garbagemen,
english accents,spain,
france,italy,walnuts and
the color
orange.
algebra angred me,
opera sickened me,
charlie chaplin was a
fake
and flowers were for
pansies.

peace an happiness to me
were signs of
inferiority,
tenants of the weak
an
addled
mind.

but as I went on with
my alley fights,
my suicidal years,
my passage through
any number of
women-it gradually
began to occur to
me
that I wasn't different

from the
others, I was the same,

they were all fulsome
with hatred,
glossed over with petty
greivances,
the men I fought in
alleys had hearts of stone.
everybody was nudging,
inching, cheating for
some insignificant
advantage,
the lie was the
weapon and the
plot was
empty,
darkness was the
dictator.

cautiously, I allowed
myself to feel good
at times.
I found moments of
peace in cheap
rooms
just staring at the
knobs of some
dresser
or listening to the
rain in the
dark.
the less I needed
the better I
felt.

maybe the other life had worn me
down.
I no longer found
glamour
in topping somebody
in conversation.
or in mounting the
body of some poor
drunken female
whose life had
slipped away into
sorrow.

I could never accept
life as it was,
i could never gobble
down all its
poisons
but there were parts,
tenous magic parts
open for the
asking.

I re formulated
I don't know when,
date, time, all
that
but the change
occured.
something in me
relaxed, smoothed
out.
i no longer had to
prove that I was a
man,

I did'nt have to prove
anything.

I began to see things:
coffee cups lined up
behind a counter in a
cafe.
or a dog walking along
a sidewalk.
or the way the mouse
on my dresser top
stopped there
with its body,
its ears,
its nose,
it was fixed,
a bit of life
caught within itself
and its eyes looked
at me
and they were
beautiful.
then- it was
gone.

I began to feel good,
I began to feel good
in the worst situations
and there were plenty
of those.
like say, the boss
behind his desk,
he is going to have
to fire me.

I've missed too many
days.
he is dressed in a
suit, necktie, glasses,
he says, "I am going
to have to let you go"

"it's all right" I tell
him.

He must do what he
must do, he has a
wife, a house, children.
expenses, most probably
a girlfreind.

I am sorry for him
he is caught.

I walk onto the blazing
sunshine.
the whole day is
mine
temporailiy,
anyhow.

(the whole world is at the
throat of the world,
everybody feels angry,
short-changed, cheated,
everybody is despondent,
dissillusioned)

I welcomed shots of
peace, tattered shards of
happiness.

I embraced that stuff
like the hottest number,
like high heels, breasts,
singing,the
works.

(dont get me wrong,
there is such a thing as cockeyed optimism
that overlooks all
basic problems just for
the sake of
itself-
this is a shield and a
sickness.)

The knife got near my
throat again,
I almost turned on the
gas
again
but when the good
moments arrived
again
I did'nt fight them off
like an alley
adversary.
I let them take me,
i luxuriated in them,
I bade them welcome
home.
I even looked into
the mirror
once having thought
myself to be
ugly,
I now liked what
I saw,almost
handsome, yes,
a bit ripped and
ragged,
scares, lumps,
odd turns,
but all in all,
not too bad,
almost handsome,
better at least than
some of those movie
star faces
like the cheeks of
a baby's
butt.

and finally I discovered
real feelings of
others,
unheralded,
like lately,
like this morning,
as I was leaving,
for the track,
i saw my wife in bed,
just the
shape of
her head there
(not forgetting
centuries of the living
and the dead and
the dying,
the pyramids,
Mozart dead
but his music still
there in the
room, weeds growing,
the earth turning,
the toteboard waiting for
me)
I saw the shape of my
wife's head,
she so still,
I ached for her life,
just being there
under the
covers.

I kissed her in the,
forehead,
got down the stairway,
got outside,
got into my marvelous
car,
fixed the seatbelt,
backed out the
drive.
feeling warm to
the fingertips,
down to my
foot on the gas
pedal,
I entered the world
once
more,
drove down the
hill
past the houses
full and empty
of
people,
I saw the mailman,
honked,
he waved
back
at me.


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 Post subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:42 pm 
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Miles Deem wrote:
huh, I've actually never read any Jack Kerouac yet... I suppose I will eventually


Aside from the obvious choices:Dharma Bums and On the Road...
Kerouac's Book of Dreams was a pretty fun read also.


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